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Barack Obama was elected the 44th president of the United States, as the country chose him as its first African American chief executive.
Share your thoughts on this historic election.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 20, 2009 11:43 AM
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> A state is a business.
No, it isn't. Shall I post the definition of business again?
> The purpose may be different,
> but in the end it is a business.
No, it isn't.
> As I said under the
> exact definition, it probably would not fit or an
> english teacher would not agree. But, at the end of
> the day it is a business.
At the end of the day, it is no more a business than it was at the beginning of the day.
> A state needs revenues in
> other to operate, some of which is by law and some of
> which is by choice. There are laws that businesses
> must follow and expenses incurred because of, just as
> states must follow laws regarding services.
That doesn't make them the same thing. At all.
> A state should be run like a business.
Well, that's certainly an opinion you can have, but it still doesn't make a state a business.
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Nov 20, 2009 11:41 AM
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My name is infoseek. I'm a liberal Democrat, and not one of those fake ones too.
Small business are facing credit crunch. President Obama is promising fi-nancial help. Why not lace small business fi-nan-sil assistance with incentives to allow employees to form new unions instead of joining the existing mob bosses? Wouldn't that be win/win for everybody?
Sincerely,
infoseek (D)
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 20, 2009 11:26 AM
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No, it isn't. A corporation is just an artificially created entity. It doesn't have to do any business, doesn't have to own anything, pay anything, or have any money. It just has to be registered in the records of the state wherein it's incorporated. You can form a corporation and never do a thing with it. The corporation still exists.
A business can be a form of corporation, but doesn't have to be.
Are you kinding me? A corporation is a form of business. It is a type of business. It is a form of ownership of a business.
And yes a business can be a corporation, just as a corporation is a form of business.
Florida is a private university? And no, they are not businesses. They may be run like a business. A city, county or state government can be run like a business, just the way an adult can act like a child. That doesn't mean it is one.
My mistake, I always though Florida was private. But, they are businesses.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 20, 2009 11:15 AM
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Actually, they are usually run as separate profit centers, which is to say, similar to being their own businesses. Similar to the way Lincoln and Mercury are divisions of Ford, but more like the service dept and fleet sales dept of a dealership.
They have a budget, just a the FD and PD do. They are accounted for separately, but fall under one budget/ balance sheet. I do think it is a fair analogy.
You want to look at departments that aren't profit centers, try those that just can't generate revenue. Like the human resources department, or the IT department.
I had thought of that, but went with my first choice.
A state is a business. The purpose may be different, but in the end it is a business. As I said under the exact definition, it probably would not fit or an english teacher would not agree. But, at the end of the day it is a business. A state needs revenues in other to operate, some of which is by law and some of which is by choice. There are laws that businesses must follow and expenses incurred because of, just as states must follow laws regarding services.
A state should be run like a business. It seems to me your equation is business=evil. That is not the case. But, don't act like gov't is any different, they exploit people too.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 20, 2009 10:46 AM
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> > OK. I'm a real independent. Friends?
>
> LOL. I'm supposed to take your word for it?
Yes. Hugs.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 20, 2009 10:36 AM
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It means we can't be friends until you're a
> real
> > something.
> >
> > Like you once were, info...when we did converse
> here.
> > Now I pretty much just scroll by your posts.
> If
> > f it's more than a line or two, it isn't
> getting
> > read. I have no use for bullshit.
>
> OK. I'm a real independent. Friends?
LOL. I'm supposed to take your word for it?
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 20, 2009 10:30 AM
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> > > > Yes, but you can pretend too. 
> > >
> > > I'm only comfortable being me.
> >
> > Does that mean we is friends only if I'm a real
> > liberal?
>
> No. It means we can't be friends until you're a real
> something.
>
> Like you once were, info...when we did converse here.
> Now I pretty much just scroll by your posts. If
> f it's more than a line or two, it isn't getting
> read. I have no use for bullshit.
OK. I'm a real independent. Friends?
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 20, 2009 10:22 AM
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> > > Yes, but you can pretend too.
> >
> > I'm only comfortable being me.
>
> Does that mean we is friends only if I'm a real
> liberal?
No. It means we can't be friends until you're a real something.
Like you once were, info...when we did converse here. Now I pretty much just scroll by your posts. If it's more than a line or two, it isn't getting read. I have no use for bullshit.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 20, 2009 10:17 AM
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> > Yes, but you can pretend too.
>
> I'm only comfortable being me.
Does that mean we is friends only if I'm a real liberal?
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 20, 2009 10:11 AM
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> > > PW,
> > >
> > > Can we be friends for 1 month since I'll
> be
> > wearing
> > > (D) for a month?
> >
> > LOL. But you're just pretending.
>
> Yes, but you can pretend too.
I'm only comfortable being me.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 20, 2009 10:08 AM
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> > PW,
> >
> > Can we be friends for 1 month since I'll be
> wearing
> > (D) for a month?
>
> LOL. But you're just pretending.
Yes, but you can pretend too.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 20, 2009 10:07 AM
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> Right.
>
> In a capitalist system the corporation is expected to
> maximize profit- period. Any person who is not a
> "stakeholder" (on the board of directors and the CEO
> and his personal staff) can be classified into 2
> categories:
>
> 1. Sheep to be sheared (customers). These
> Sheep are to be exploited for maximum profit. Give
> them the least value for their money, and get as much
> money from them as you can. Watch the film
> Glenngarry Glen Ross and you'll get the idea.
> " A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Closing. Always be
> e closing, always be closing."
>
> 2. Enemies (competition, vendors, employees).
> These people either steal Sheep from the
> e Stakeholders or worse yet, have a negative cash
> flow claim against the Stakeholders for either
> services, supplies, or wages. These claims must be
> minimized without mercy.
>
> So, when well meaning people say that "Government
> should be run like a business," they don't know what
> they are asking for. I don't think a Representative
> Democracy should treat me like either a Sheep to be
> Sheared or as an Enemy.
Unplugged the claim of innovation and progress, which can easily be countered with sustainability. Sounds like an interesting conversation.
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Edited by infoseek at 11/20/2009 7:13 AM PST
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 20, 2009 8:23 AM
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> Right.
>
> In a capitalist system the corporation is expected to
> maximize profit- period. Any person who is not a
> "stakeholder" (on the board of directors and the CEO
> and his personal staff) can be classified into 2
> categories:
>
> 1. Sheep to be sheared (customers). These
> Sheep are to be exploited for maximum profit. Give
> them the least value for their money, and get as much
> money from them as you can. Watch the film
> Glenngarry Glen Ross and you'll get the idea.
> " A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Closing. Always be
> e closing, always be closing."
>
> 2. Enemies (competition, vendors, employees).
> These people either steal Sheep from the
> e Stakeholders or worse yet, have a negative cash
> flow claim against the Stakeholders for either
> services, supplies, or wages. These claims must be
> minimized without mercy.
>
> So, when well meaning people say that "Government
> should be run like a business," they don't know what
> they are asking for. I don't think a Representative
> Democracy should treat me like either a Sheep to be
> Sheared or as an Enemy.
What simplistic nonsense.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 20, 2009 5:47 AM
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Right.
In a capitalist system the corporation is expected to maximize profit- period. Any person who is not a "stakeholder" (on the board of directors and the CEO and his personal staff) can be classified into 2 categories:
1. Sheep to be sheared (customers). These Sheep are to be exploited for maximum profit. Give them the least value for their money, and get as much money from them as you can. Watch the film Glenngarry Glen Ross and you'll get the idea. " A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Closing. Always be closing, always be closing."
2. Enemies (competition, vendors, employees). These people either steal Sheep from the Stakeholders or worse yet, have a negative cash flow claim against the Stakeholders for either services, supplies, or wages. These claims must be minimized without mercy.
So, when well meaning people say that "Government should be run like a business," they don't know what they are asking for. I don't think a Representative Democracy should treat me like either a Sheep to be Sheared or as an Enemy.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 19, 2009 11:28 PM
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> So, have you ever gone to a supermarket? They have a
> bakery department and a deli department. Are they a
> business? No, they are part of the whole store, just
> part of a service they provide.
>
Actually, they are usually run as separate profit centers, which is to say, similar to being their own businesses. Similar to the way Lincoln and Mercury are divisions of Ford, but more like the service dept and fleet sales dept of a dealership.
You want to look at departments that aren't profit centers, try those that just can't generate revenue. Like the human resources department, or the IT department.
> So, a state has PD and FD, they are not businesses,
> they are part of the service provided by the state to
> its citizens. Paid for, through taxes.
>
Yes, that's right. They are not businesses.
> So, just like a store, a state has different
> departments.
>
Right. And a state is not a business, and shouldn't be run like one. Successful business people, therefore, should not run a state. When they try to, they often end up trying to run the state to benefit the business they used to be in, because as businesspeople, they are accustomed to exploiting people for the benefit of the business.
> Clearly, you don't understand english and are unable
> to think for yourself. The talking points must be
> running out.
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