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Barack Obama was elected the 44th president of the United States, as the country chose him as its first African American chief executive.
Share your thoughts on this historic election.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 19, 2009 4:57 PM
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JaredP
> So a grocery and governments aren't businesses like
> you said?
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Did not say that
> So a bakery isn't a department of the grocery store?
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Did not say that
> So the police aren't a department of the state?
Did not say that
I guess reading is not what you do? Just keep making stuff up.
I'm sure in your mind this post means something, but here in reality, it just shows how lost you are.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 19, 2009 4:56 PM
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> So, there is a sporting goods store, a jewelry store, and a supermarket. All are different, all provide different services and products. They are not the same, but are businesses.
My baby boy just learned the definition of a business!
I'm so proud of you! You're growing up so fast.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 19, 2009 4:51 PM
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So a grocery and governments aren't businesses like you said?
So a bakery isn't a department of the grocery store?
So the police aren't a department of the state?
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 19, 2009 4:48 PM
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JaredP
> > Whatever the outcomes are, will not change what
> they are. If the deli provides bad service the store
> is responsible, if the police provide bad service the
> state is responsible.
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> And if I do something, I'm responsible. Only a moron
> would conclude that because three dissimilar things
> (government, store, and me) take money, perform
> activities, and are responsible for our actions, they
> are the same thing.
I'm not sure what being responsible for your own actions has to do with this?
So, there is a sporting goods store, a jewelry store, and a supermarket. All are different, all provide different services and products. They are not the same, but are businesses.
I guess you don't know the answer. I'm not surprised.
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Edited by sunaz at 11/19/2009 1:49 PM PST
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Edited by sunaz at 11/19/2009 1:50 PM PST
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 19, 2009 4:43 PM
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JaredP
> >> You can whine about anything. You whining about
> the police and a store doesn't magically make them
> the same.
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> > Of course they are not the same. A store is a
> business and the police department is part of a
> business.
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> Like the bakery you said.
Clearly you can't read, never wrote that. Compared the state and a store. So, just keep making things up.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 19, 2009 4:39 PM
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> Whatever the outcomes are, will not change what they are. If the deli provides bad service the store is responsible, if the police provide bad service the state is responsible.
And if I do something, I'm responsible. Only a moron would conclude that because three dissimilar things (government, store, and me) take money, perform activities, and are responsible for our actions, they are stores.
Your analogy is nonsense.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 19, 2009 4:38 PM
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JaredP
> > I did not compare them to a bakery
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> Oh really?
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> > So, have you ever gone to a supermarket? They have
> a bakery department and a deli department. Are they a
> business? No, they are part of the whole store, just
> part of a service they provide.
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> > So, a state has PD and FD, they are not businesses,
> they are part of the service provided by the state to
> its citizens. Paid for, through taxes.
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> What kind of moron lies like that when we can just
> scroll down?
Exactly where did I say they are like a bakery? A bakery bakes cakes, cookies, and bread. Maybe your police department is different, but my police department hands out tickets and arrests people if they break the law.
Comparing the structure of something is different than comparing a department to another.
Clearly, you are the answer to your own question.
Maybe this will help you:
Supermarket:Bakery as a State:??
1. Dogs
2. Cats
3. Roads
4. Police Department
Here is a hint: it's similar to Obama's number.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 19, 2009 4:34 PM
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>> You can whine about anything. You whining about the police and a store doesn't magically make them the same.
> Of course they are not the same. A store is a business and the police department is part of a business.
Like the bakery you said.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 19, 2009 4:31 PM
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prettywitty
> > Please explain how the gov't has not been
> acting
> > predatorial?
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> What's with you righties always demanding someone
> prove a negative?
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> > Cap and trade, increasing taxes. Healthcare,
> fat
> > tax, tax on expensive policies, tax on cosmetic
> > surgery, tax on medical equipment, taxing people
> for
> > not buying insurance, and a surtax on income.
> >
> > They adm has also thrown the idea of the VAT.
> How
> > about states increasing sales taxes, property
> taxes,
> > tolls, fees. Because they have failed in
> running
> > things correctly, they use their power to take.
> They
> > are acting predatorial.
>
> No, they aren't. That is not at all akin to what the
> credit card companies are doing, and I suspect you
> know that full well.
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> > There is not a difference between a credit card
> > company adding annual fees or changing rates and
> what
> > the gov't is doing. Changing fees and tax
> rates.
>
> They are not even similar.
So, explain to me why the gov't is not being predatorial?
I have a credit card that has a balance of $5000. The credit card company decides to change my interest rate from 20% to 25% and add an annual fee of $100.
I make $250,000 and fall into the 33% tax bracket. Now the gov't decides to create a surtax, meaning I my income is not subject to another 5.4% in taxes.
So, why are they not acting predatorial?
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 19, 2009 4:30 PM
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> I did not compare them to a bakery
Oh really?
> So, have you ever gone to a supermarket? They have a bakery department and a deli department. Are they a business? No, they are part of the whole store, just part of a service they provide.
> So, a state has PD and FD, they are not businesses, they are part of the service provided by the state to its citizens. Paid for, through taxes.
What kind of moron lies like that when we can just scroll down?
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 19, 2009 4:24 PM
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JaredP
> No, if you get bad law enforcement you rot in jail.
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> You can whine about anything. You whining about the
> police and a store doesn't magically make them the
> same.
Of course they are not the same. A store is a business and the police department is part of a business.
I'm not whining about anything.
And if you get bad law enforcement the people, the ones that are paying for the service will stand up and ask for better service.
If your accountant gives you bad tax advice, meaning providing you with bad service, can land you in jail.
Whatever the outcomes are, will not change what they are. If the deli provides bad service the store is responsible, if the police provide bad service the state is responsible.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 19, 2009 4:18 PM
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No, if you get bad law enforcement you rot in jail.
You can whine about anything. You whining about the police and a store doesn't magically make them the same.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 19, 2009 4:18 PM
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> Please explain how the gov't has not been acting
> predatorial?
What's with you righties always demanding someone prove a negative?
> Cap and trade, increasing taxes. Healthcare, fat
> tax, tax on expensive policies, tax on cosmetic
> surgery, tax on medical equipment, taxing people for
> not buying insurance, and a surtax on income.
>
> They adm has also thrown the idea of the VAT. How
> about states increasing sales taxes, property taxes,
> tolls, fees. Because they have failed in running
> things correctly, they use their power to take. They
> are acting predatorial.
No, they aren't. That is not at all akin to what the credit card companies are doing, and I suspect you know that full well.
> There is not a difference between a credit card
> company adding annual fees or changing rates and what
> the gov't is doing. Changing fees and tax rates.
They are not even similar.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 19, 2009 4:13 PM
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JaredP
> So the fire department and police departments are
> subsidiary components of a larger business. Let's
> forget for a moment the grocery store in your analogy
> is a subsidiary of a larger holding company. And
> let's ignore the fact that comparing the fire
> department to a bakery is ridiculous.
>
> The police and fire departments are NOT businesses or
> components of a business in any sense of the word. Of
> course you can try to pay them off and get your ass
> thrown in jail.
>
> The police could give a flying fuck whether you want
> their service. You will receive it. For that matter,
> that goes for the fire department, protective
> services, the IRS, and most any other part of the
> government.
>
> Only a tool would pretend the police are part of a
> business.
Do you get dumber by the day or hour? I did not compare them to a bakery, but I did compare the structure of a state and store, something you clearly do not understand.
So, I go to a store and buy steak, rice, and green beans. I get home and find out all are bad. So, I will bring them back to the store because I have expectations of receiving edible and usuable food. So, by paying for it, I expect there service to be good.
I pay the state in form of taxes and other fees. One service they provide is law enforcement. So, I have reasonable expectations that the police department will do what they are suppose to. They will provide good service. Just like the store ensures the products are good, the state ensures their service is good.
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Re: President Barack Obama
Nov 19, 2009 4:00 PM
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So the fire department and police departments are subsidiary components of a larger business. Let's forget for a moment the grocery store in your analogy is a subsidiary of a larger holding company. And let's ignore the fact that comparing the fire department to a bakery is ridiculous.
The police and fire departments are NOT businesses or components of a business in any sense of the word. Of course you can try to pay them off and get your ass thrown in jail.
The police could give a flying fuck whether you want their service. You will receive it. For that matter, that goes for the fire department, protective services, the IRS, and most any other part of the government.
Only a tool would pretend the police are part of a business.
Businesses have NO authority outside freely negotiated contracts such as sales and credit. As allowed by the government.
Government IS the authority.
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